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I ve read this over again, and while at first I tried to be understanding of your point there, I dont agree with it.
You see the same thing happens with other issues. A few years ago it was religion and getting paganism recognized as a true religious group, if you will. They denied its acknowlegement in the military because such a religion had lies spread about it and it made some uncomfortable.
Something will always make someone else uncomfortable, so should you always avoid that something to please others?
Before it was Blacks, Then it was women. Followed by NonAbrahamic Religious People. Now its homosexual/bisexuals.
When is it going to stop? No matter which way you look at it, its still discrimination and therefore still wrong. Discrimination being defined as: unfair treatment of a person or group on the basis of prejudice ; the cognitive process whereby two or more stimuli are distinguished .
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i feel like obama should not mess with the military and things he doesnt know...
i feel like its not relevant to take away it--i mean i dont go around saying i am straight...no one care..you are not required to say whether you are or not..you can be gay in the military you just dont say
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Its actually is relevant, I am a member of the Courage Campaign( basically GSA 4 grown ups,and also a dem led group to find genreral equality for any and everyone who is a US citizen) and a number of openly gay men in the military are being court marshalled for being open. Its a very big deal, just kept hush hush.
and whilw you may not be required to keep it quiet(being heterosexual), others may be.
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Obama has never even been in the military. He has no clue what goes on. My father is active duty. Therefore, I know the regulations.. and so do the homosexuals in the military. If they dont want to be kicked out of the military they should be quiet, hince the "dont ask, dont tell" policy.
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its "hence" and as a Navy Brat, as the saying goes, The idea of banning dont ask dont tell, is based on the notion that equality doesnt take a second seat to group unity.
The fact he wasnt in the military means nothing to this discussion. I am not Christian, but I would not take a Christian's rights away. the point is the same. You neednt be in that particular situaton to be able to relate to others who have such experiences.
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not trying to be rude but i genuinely want to know what rights are being violated in not asking someone's sexual orientation?
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what i am getting at is that requiring(dont ask dont tell or be courtmarshalled) someone to be closeted as a homo/bisexual isnt right. To some being a closeted homosexual is like asking them to lie and be okay with everyone's assumption you are like them and it also treats them unequally. You are correct their are (in most states) no laws that actually protect nonheterosexuals from discrimination.
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They know the rules. If they don't want to be persecuted for the way that they are, they should keep it to themselves. I have nothing against homosexuals, my best friend is bisexual. They know what society thinks about it, so if they do not want the problems they should just keep their personal lives to themselves. If they don't mind what others think then go for it. More power to you.
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isnt the persecution the problem?
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I don't understand what you mean.
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"They know the rules. If they don't want to be persecuted for the way that they are, they should keep it to themselves"
isnt the persecution a problem to you?
do you like knowing people like your friend, if honest, are persecuted?
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personally, as a friend of many GLBT people, persecution of any type sucks.
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No I don't but what can I do to help. I still have my religion that I believe with all my heart. It is not my place to judge anyone.
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I am by no means saying you cant have your religion, I wouldnt say that unless yours consisted of , no offense, Scientology. lol, I dont mean to say that one cannot say this life style is wrong because, while I may disagree with you, that is your opinion.
What I am saying is that our governement and other organizations that are related to the governement (the military being one of them), should not persecute people due to their sexuality. Sexuality(not sexual preference, since that insinuates a choice) is something people cannot change. Ex: Can you change yours if God didnt exist to you? Most likely no, because you probably are not attrracted to women as a woman.
However there are those people who are attracted to those of their same sex and saying you wont judge, but still allow the persecution to exist is judging them not fit to have the same rights as another non-homo/bisexual person.
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